Saints suffered another chastening but not exactly original experience with defeat to an undeniably poor Hull FC side.
There's a good argument to suggest that Saints beat themselves to a certain extent. If you make the errors and miss the tackles they did, with the frequency they did, it's hard to beat even the lowliest Super League sides. But having already been nilled at home to Toulouse and edged out at York last week can we even be surprised?
The situation is sufficiently grave so as to be highly newsworthy from a Sky Sports rugby league perspective. The focus was really on as co-owner and chairman Eamonn McManus joined presenter Brian Carney and pundits Jon Wilkin and Sam Tomkins before the game. if McManus wanted to appease the Saints fans whispering and tweeting about a 'disconnect' between them and the club, I'm not totally convinced he pulled it off.
What he achieved was to take at least part ownership of the decision to relieve Paul Rowley of the coaching duties.
"When things are not as they should be at a club of St Helens’ stature, they need to be changed. The environment needed to be changed." He said.
It's difficult to argue with him about things not being as they should be. But where I would question the decision making is in the timing. Not just because Rowley coached another game after the dismal Toulouse performance - a win over Catalans Dragons - before being jettisoned 48 hours before the derby at Wigan - but also because we were 19 league games in to the season.
Remember it was Rowley's debut season with the club and that he inherited a pretty humdrum team from Paul Wellens. It was always going to take longer than Rowley was ultimately afforded. In taking the decision less than a year into Rowley's three-year deal there is more than a hint - unspoken though it is - that McManus thinks the appointment was a mistake all along.
Certainly there was an element of pointing the finger at Rowley for the recruitment decisions that have been the major focus of fan criticism. McManus framed it as praise, suggesting that we would be worse off without the players he told us Rowley brought in. Would we really be any further from contention without the Billinge Taumololo Joe Shorrocks or Casualty extra Nene Macdonald?
Does Jackson Hastings make us better than we would be with George Whitby at halfback? Probably not. Certainly not if there's a last gasp goal that needs landing to force extra time. Bringing in an experienced halfback for a year while Whitby develops was not a terrible idea in itself. But accepting that they don't grow on trees I would question whether Hastings was the optimum choice as a mentor. Making him captain following Matty Lees' injury woes also seems like crossing a line. If Rowley was trying to channel Bobbie Goulding here he might just as well have WhatsApped Ellie.
There are some recruitment howlers that Rowley can't be blamed for. Remember Shane Wright scoring one of the most famous tries in Saints' modern history at Leeds in September? He, along with Deon Cross are often lumped in with Rowley signings to strengthen the popular fan argument that he has been trying to put the Salford band back together.
Like Wright, Cross - who is a perfectly serviceable backup centre/wing in any case - was signed on Wellens' watch. What is harder to support is the idea that Wright - Headingley miracle notwithstanding - should be anywhere near a Saints shirt. If Rowley is culpable it's for consistently selecting him.
McManus repeatedly said that lessons will be learned. Until then we have five Super League games to get through with not much to cheer us. We can stop concerning ourselves now with the question of whether we will continue our proud record of having made every playoff series in the Super League era. That distinction is leaving us. We face four of the current top six in the run in. If we win another game or two before the end of this wretched season we can get out the bunting.
What direction we take in the remaining games is less interesting than it might have been because of the injuries. Whitby came off and went straight down the tunnel in the second half of the Hull defeat. If fit there is a compelling case for giving him at least some time at halfback at Wakefield next week.
That doesn't mean leaving out Hastings altogether. I barely need to remind you that we don't have any fit, experienced hookers so Whitby may need to fill in there depending on the status of Jake Burns. But some time at the creative helm would aid Whitby further. Whether we would benefit from that in the long term depends on the plans of an as yet unidentified new coach. But it's still worth doing because it creates options.
While we wait for the end of this turbulent term there is plenty to improve on. Saints made 13 errors against the black and whites which is significantly higher than their average coming in of just over 10. Not to pick on anyone but Alex Walmsley's inability to reliably secure possession is becoming a problem given that he has a year left on his contract. He will surely be here next year to go out on his own terms. He deserves that, but it's also realistic with so many other personnel problems to fix.
Nobody gets Saints down the field as well as Walmsley and his legacy is assured regardless. But you can't make metres if you don't catch the ball or if you fumble around with it while trying to play it after being tackled. Tristan Sailor actually made more errors on the night but he plays more minutes and has his hands on the ball more often.
When Saints held on to the ball the attack again looked dangerous with Harry Robertson at stand-off. His try was a piece of individual brilliance and the link between Whitby and Jack Welsby for the latter's try was also outstanding. But missed tackles was a consistent flaw and arguably the biggest contributor to Saints' undoing.
As a team Saints missed an eye opening 48 tackles. That's 15 more than their average in the previous 21 league outings. And it's not like they were defensive masterclasses. Injuries don't fully account for it, although the youngsters filling the bench might be mitigated given the physical challenge presented to them by the step up to first team level. But mostly what we saw was some highly decorated professionals failing to execute a basic skill often enough. If you continually drop the ball and miss tackles you can steel yourself for a rendition of 'oh when the Saints get beat by Hull' from the taxi load of FC fans in attendance.
Ultimately we didn't learn a huge amount about our team in this one. We're not good enough and we know it. We've known it for a while. We have lost 10 out of 22 league matches and are in significant danger of losing more matches than we win by the end. That hasn't happened since 1988-89. It wasn't great then. In a league of today's fairly moderate quality it is an abomination.
There is comfort in the idea that sport is cyclical. The reason Saints are - for now - the only team to qualify for every playoff series is that the salary cap system is designed to prevent domination by one club. In that context claiming four titles in a row between 2019-22 is as remarkable as the recent slide.
Some might regard our problems as the first-world variety. But a return to the top isn't guaranteed. Ask fans of Widnes. The appointment of the new coach will be crucial. Get it right and it could be transformative. Justin Holbrook turned the toxicity at the end of Keiron Cunningham's reign and led us to within minutes of a Grand Final by the end of that season.
This rebuild will take longer. But that was the case on the day Rowley walked through the door.